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On Mythbusters, a Titanic-sized legend will a sinking ship suck you down as it goes under?

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The speed of descent is just like, whoosh!

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Are goldfish in a bold board or simply stupid?

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Oh, no, I'm back!

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And does their memory last more than three seconds?

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I got all the smart ones. You got all the stupid ones.

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Don't blame me, I'm only the trombone player.

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A musical myth with highly explosive results.

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It hurts on fire.

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Who are the Mythbusters?

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Is my missing an eyebrow?

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Adam Savage.

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I always enjoyed seeing Adam in pain.

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Oh!

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And Jamie Heineman.

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Jamie wants a big bone.

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Between them, more than 30 years special effects experience.

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Still kind of sexy.

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They don't just tell the Myths, they put them to the test.

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Well, there's a myth that says that if you're on a ship when it's sinking, it'll suck you down with it.

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You're telling me this thing, when it goes down, I'm going to go down with it because it's going to suck me down?

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A sinking ship is every sailor's worst nightmare.

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Take this deliberate sinking in Canada.

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It graphically illustrates the force created when a large ship goes under.

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Heather Joseph Witham studies folklore, including harsh tales of the sea.

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The idea is that if there's a large ship that's going to be sinking, the passengers need to get as far away from the ship as they possibly can.

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Because the ship will go down in the water and a tremendous suction will be created and it will draw anyone and anything down with it.

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When the Titanic went down, we have numerous accounts of people who were swimming or who were on lifeboats.

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And they all said, our lives were saved because we had some strong men rowing the boat and we got far away from the suction of the boat sinking.

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Well, Jamie, what are we going to test for this? What are the prevailing theories behind the boat sucking you down?

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Well, apparently there are three.

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And the first one is that air that mixes in with the water as it rushes up from the boat makes the water less dense.

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And so it's like you're going to fall through the water quicker that way.

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The second theory is that the cavities in the ship will create an area for the water to rush in and that will pull you into the ship.

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And then the third one is that the ship moving through the water rapidly towards the bottom will create a vortex above it.

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Kind of like drafting behind a truck when it's on the highway.

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Well, you know, all those three theories seem to me simple enough to actually test in the shop.

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I think I could build a small water rig for the bubbler and some weights and some small boats.

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And we could see all three of these theories right in the shop.

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But, you know, I still think we need a real boat. People aren't going to get it unless we do it with a real boat.

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Until they find a suitable boat, Adam sets out to test the vortex and bubble density theories on a small scale.

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Well, what I made is a miniature bubbling rig and we're trying to show whether or not the ship produces lots of bubbles and the bubbles lower the density of the water.

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People sink whereas normally they'd float or whether it creates a vortex that pulls things in after it.

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But Adam soon runs into some fundamental problems.

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This would be the Titanic. This is a lead weight. It's pretty darn heavy. And let's say that is our person right there.

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Ready?

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Squat.

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Nothing.

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To make this work, Adam has to rethink his ratios of weight, density and buoyancy. Time to think big.

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Adam is building a rig, four feet square by ten feet high.

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They will then attach an electric winch and guide wires to hold a special box that will simulate the action of a sinking boat.

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So right now I'm actually just finishing up the PVC matrix that will be our bubbler and hopefully it will provide us with a really attractive stream of bubbles.

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Then I'm going to make a panel for the top of this box which has a hole in it so that not only can we test what happens when you drop a weight in water but when you drop a weight with an air gap in it we can see what happens.

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We're going to fill this with 25 pound barbell weights.

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Meanwhile, the search for the ideal sinkable boat begins among the marinas of Embarcadero Cove in Oakland, California.

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This hunt won't be easy. The boat they need must sink effortlessly. Any vessel too buoyant will be a problem.

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The boat was a piece of junk which doesn't make me feel too bad about sinking it.

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For a boat this size it's actually got a fair amount of volume which is what we need.

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It would be a perfect boat for us except for the fact that it's wood and I don't think it will go down too quick because wood typically floats.

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We're looking for the largest boat that we can afford to sink quickly and that by my mind would have to be a steel boat.

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A heavy steel tugboat catches their eye but it quickly becomes obvious that this old hulk is way beyond their needs.

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I think this boat is so perfect for our Titanic rig it would make me cry if we were able to get it. It does however look like quite a deal to make it go.

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So testing the myth of the Titanic will have to wait.

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Does a goldfish's memory last more than three seconds?

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He's looking at it, he's trying to eat it.

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Jamie and Adam are locked in combat.

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We have to identify the smart ones.

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Who's the superior fish wrangler?

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Back in the Amazon when I used to train piranhas.

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Oh and does a goldfish's memory last more than three seconds?

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This myth is a pretty laid back one, huh Jamie?

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Yeah, the myth says that you can put a goldfish in a small bowl and they're okay with it because they're so stupid that by the time they make it around the bowl in like about three seconds they've just forgotten where they were.

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I think that we tell this story in order to play hate ourselves and allow us to keep animals in a small tank which usually we would perceive as being kind of cruel.

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And you could certainly keep it in a small bowl because every time it goes around that bowl it's a new experience.

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So what we really want to test here is what is the memory span of the average goldfish?

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Well what I thought we'd do is build a maze and the goldfish will have to be taught how to make it through the maze and if they can remember that we'll know a little bit more how smart they are.

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So what you're talking about is not just a goldfish intelligence test but a mythbusters intelligence test as well.

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You can look at it that way. One that I think I will win.

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So the guys want to train goldfish to swim through a maze. If they do it they'll prove they're smarter than we think. The goldfish will look clever too.

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Have you heard of the myth that goldfish only have three seconds of memory?

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Yes, I have. Their brains are pretty small and it's about two percent of their body weight so you can figure that they're not going to have too much of a memory.

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Steve, the pet shop guy, has all the fish and all the accessories the mythbusters need.

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I think this is definitely the one for me, Jimmy. It's a deep sea diver with a shark.

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But the goldfish have needs too.

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This is a 38 gallon. I have the best food for goldfish. You make sure that you have a good water conditioner.

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Those are perfect. What do we need? Ten of those?

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Five in each tank?

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The easiest sail Steve's ever made. Two tanks, ten fish and enough supplies to feed a whale.

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Jamie and Adam have given themselves 45 days to train the fish and bust the myth. They've each got a tank and each will devise their own training method.

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The competition is heating up.

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I think that I shall be the best trainer purely because of the fact that training animals requires above all consistency.

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Adam is not a very consistent person.

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Turns out Jamie has another advantage. He used to own a pet shop and he knows his fish.

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In addition to his time in the Special Forces and being the International WISTS champion and even being a lion owner,

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Jamie is probably one of only a handful of people in the world who has actually trained a goldfish to ring a bell.

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I don't have anything like that kind of pedigree with goldfish training regiments.

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Oh, look at that.

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Undaunted, Adam is determined to rise to the ultimate challenge of teaching fish to swim through a maze.

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I think I'm in fact just going to leave mine totally uncovered.

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Oh, dear.

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I'm going to kick your goldfish ass.

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The plan is to see what specific forces are in play when a ship sinks.

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At this point, I really don't know what's going to happen with this.

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My impression is that if you're floating above a boat as it's going down, it's not really going to pull you down.

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Jamie's pessimistic about the vortex theory, but he's open to the bubbles creating lower density.

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I don't know whether it's going to buoy you up because of all the bubbles going up or whether the bubbles will make the water in that area less dense will make it go down.

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It'll be interesting to see.

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This is lead stock.

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Water density is the key, so they've made a hydrometer, a simple flotation device that measures the specific gravity or density of a liquid.

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We will see how much the density of the water changes by how far this goes up and down when the water is aerated.

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That's perfect.

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Experiment one, the bubble test.

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A compressor will supply air to Adam's PVC bubble matrix.

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Okay, I'm going.

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All right, I'm going to watch it.

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Oh, that looks cool from here.

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Oh, it looks like it's going down.

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Yes, definitely.

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Way down.

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Okay, it's out of the...

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Looks like somebody's going to have to get their swim trunks on.

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And that was all the encouragement Adam needed on a warm California day.

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Can we blur out the love handles?

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Be nice to me, all right?

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Happy with the bubble effect, their first weight test should determine if volume makes it easier to be dragged down.

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So to get a closer simulation of a sinking boat, the box is positioned on the surface and loaded with 200 pounds.

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They hope the inrush of water to the empty box will drive the vortex afield.

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Good, go.

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Wow.

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I pulled it down.

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That was intense.

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I didn't realize that the result would be so marked.

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When I'm in the water as the weight releases, I can definitely feel it pushing this cushion of water out around it as it's plummeting.

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And I'll tell you straight up, based on what I see here, you would definitely get sucked down.

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And I think the bigger the object, the bigger the suck.

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To test Adam's bigger suction theory, they increase the box weight to 300 pounds.

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All right, hydrometer's ready?

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Okay, going.

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Go.

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Nice sound.

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Where's the hydrometer?

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There it is.

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That pretty much says it.

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Wow, I mean it went all the way to the bottom and hung out there for a while.

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Once again, the box filled rapidly, dropped like a stone and pulled the hydrometer down entirely.

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Now it's Adam's turn to ride the vortex.

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Okay, ow, first of all.

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Second of all.

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Feel yourself in the vortex as you're going down.

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I mean, I did not separate from the box at all.

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My buoyancy had no bearing on the matter.

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I just sunk right with it until I hit the bottom.

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That was intense.

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The pool testing is done, and Adam's up for the real thing.

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Two boats have already been rejected as unsuitable, but after some good detective work, they find a very likely candidate.

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Another old tug, but at 9 tons, this one is more suitable.

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It's a nice solid little hunk of steel.

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I think it ought to go down like a rock.

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It seems like it's pretty rugged.

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There's a lot of tight points for us to get a hold of, to tow it around and lift it and stuff like that.

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So I think it's perfect.

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I think it's fantastic.

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It's totally ideal.

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I mean, yeah, it'd be great if it was bigger, but I gotta tell you that 300 pound weight yanked me down with a lot more force than I thought was possible.

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This ought to do it quite handle it.

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Ship chosen.

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Now, the preparation.

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We're going to go cut some holes in the boat.

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Sinking a boat isn't easy.

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In British Columbia, Canada, the artificial reef society regularly sends unwanted ships to the bottom.

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They are reborn as prime diving sites and marine habitats.

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To send ships down safely, holes are cut on both sides so that water rushes in and the air rushes out.

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Jamie and Adam may need to scuttle their boat several times, so holes will be cut below the water line that can be repludged.

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What we have are some large threaded fittings, which we're going to weld into the holes that we cut in the boat.

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And we'll simply unscrew them to let water in.

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Unnecessary holes are sealed so the boat can be towed.

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To avoid polluting the bay, loose rust and other debris is cleaned off.

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And they have a solid plan for bringing the boat back up again.

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What we have is a cable harness, which we've had constructed to spec based on the weight of the boat.

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And it will have four lines on it going to a central point on the cable that the crane pulls up.

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When we want to bring the boat back up, then I will have to go down in scuba gear and reattach the rear two lines manually when the boat is on the bottom and then we'll pull it back up with the crane.

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A quick name change and myth Tenec is ready for launching, but no one told them changing a boat's name is bad luck.

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So this is the moment of truth. We get to see if the valves we welded in actually work or if the boat sinks right off the pier.

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My boat is that it doesn't sink.

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Well, all three of the valves are leaking right around the welds. Just a little tiny leak, but maybe we can throw a bilge pump in it tonight. I don't know.

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Those were Jamie's welds.

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One thing Adam does not dispute is Jamie's considerable underwater experience. For years he ran a dive business in the Caribbean.

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I'm a dive master. I've done thousands of dives. I've salvaged boats. I have spent, you know, person years in the water basically.

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I'm actually not all that excited about being in this particular water. You know, I like it where it's clear and warm and pretty and we're going to be in the bay and it's cold and dark and murky.

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So while Jamie worries...

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Careful, it might roll and you get caught.

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It's day one of the Great Goldfish Challenge.

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How's it going?

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Jamie and Adam are trying to bust the myth that goldfish only have a three second memory by training them to swim through a simple maze.

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This challenge has already transcended the myth. It's a battle for bragging rights. The boys each have their own tank and fish and are vying to prove they're the better trainer.

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The competition is fierce.

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Oh, he's so better not go get a tube and feed them with a tube because I'll kick his butt. That was my idea.

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In fact, Jamie has something entirely different in mind. He's making bright plastic holes which he hopes will be to the fishes liking.

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I'm going to get them used to taking their food out of the middle of the hole by making this colorful hole that they'll easily recognize that has some mesh suspended in the middle of it that will put the food in.

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Jamie's holes are already attracting interest.

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But will the fish be as attracted to the holes as Adam is?

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If someone comes down out of the hole, maybe they'll start to look around and eventually find it. There we go. You're looking at it. He's looking at it. He's trying to eat it. Oh my God, he's taking the bait almost.

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We have to identify the smart ones.

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School is in for Adam too. He's trying to be the goldfish to understand their needs. He has an idea.

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Instead of using the store-bought tank dividers, Adam is making his own out of plastic. He'll custom make the course based on his deep grasp of fish behavior.

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If I get them comfortable with the fact that they can go through, perhaps they'll understand that there is a way to get there because all they see is just this black ring that's exposed. They don't know that they can actually go and swim around over there.

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So they have their strategies and the battle of the fish tags is on. Adam's clear dividers versus Jamie's gaudy plastic.

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May the best fish man win.

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Eight days since the Goldfish Memory Challenge began and Adam's got a problem or rather his fish do.

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Smells. Oh no. Oh no. I've got a dead fish.

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It's okay. Something's going on. I don't like this whole thing. I'm going to call the pet store. I'm going to replace the water completely.

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Jamie's water is clearer. Mine's really, really foggy.

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The thing is, is the tank is really foggy and then last night one of the goldfish died.

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Turns out the filter hasn't removed the ammonia in the water created by the fish waste.

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A tank that's working correctly has a certain amount of bacteria that's grown in the filter that processes the ammonia.

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It actually takes like four to eight weeks for it to fully take effect.

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Given everything is going so swimmingly in Jamie's tank, perhaps Adam's solid plastic dividers are messing with the filter.

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Whenever the cause, eight weeks is time Adam just doesn't have.

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I'm trying to train them but it turns out I'm just trying to keep them alive.

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Jamie's fish aren't just alive. They're happy, healthy and apparently pretty smart.

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They seem to know automatically where the food is. I would say that even now, even though we haven't got them to go really through anything in terms of a maze as such,

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that the myth is busted because they clearly recognize either me or the location where the food is being delivered.

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They are clearly capable of some sort of minimal memory.

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I think the myth that goldfish are easy to maintain and hardy fish has also been busted.

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There are three weeks left in this challenge. Adam has a lot of ground to make up.

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Look, they're even growing little Jamie mustaches now.

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They're like, oh, thanks for the food every morning.

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The myth busters in a music store have Jamie and Adam given up their destructive ways.

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Are they replacing mayhem with Mozart?

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We're looking for something in a trombone.

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Okay, and like for a student.

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Well, actually we want to blow it up.

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You want to blow it up.

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So, hey, now we've got one to bust with a musical theme.

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Yes, we have a trombonist in an orchestra that was playing the 1812 Overture.

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And the trombonist decides to spice things up a bit by putting a firecracker into the mute of his trombone.

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He sets it off, intending to shoot the mute out over the audience.

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However, it hits the conductor, knocks the conductor off the stage and into the audience,

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knocking them over like dominoes.

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Blows the bell of the trombone wide open, shoots the slide out, hitting the second violinist, I believe, and burns his lips.

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And the music starts.

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What's the plan? Where do we start?

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Well, we're not going to be able to do anything without some trombones.

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And so to the music store.

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Okay, well, maybe we'll look at some used trombones.

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So, follow me.

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Down in the best music basement, there's a band of merry men conducting repairs.

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It seems music does not always soothe the savage beast.

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We've had an instrument that an angry girlfriend took her anger out on, and this was a Selmer Paris saxophone originally.

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A sax scandal for sure.

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But the guys are more interested in creating a trombone tragedy.

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But these are your standard tenor trombone that are usually going to be used by a lead player.

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I think the low end of the spectrum is exactly where we are.

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We don't want to remove anything nicely playable from the world.

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We'd rather just take a junker and put it out of its misery.

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Those will all blow up about the same.

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The trombones are selected for their final curtain.

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Now the guys need a mute to silence the myth.

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Yeah, I think that's the one I like to look.

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Yeah, this is like, you know, kind of looks like it ought to be fired like a stinger, you know.

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All right.

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Back at the workshop, Buster the crash test dummy is being readied for his next indignity.

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This time he'll play the conductor hit by the mute.

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That's if he can stand up.

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Let's see how you're standing up.

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Hold my hand.

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One standing crash test dummy, actually technically in the industry known as a pedestrian dummy.

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There'll be nothing pedestrian about the explosion if Jamie has his way.

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He's grinding up the fuel used in bottle rockets to help give the mute a lift.

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I made a long tube and we made it so that it inserts like so into the mute.

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And I believe this will actually propel this thing pretty good like a rocket.

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Understandably, none of the local concert halls were enthusiastic about having the myth busters come and blow up trombones.

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Instead, the guys have set up their own safer theater.

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He's pretty floppy. It's like trying to get a dead guy to stand up.

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Once again, Buster will take center stage, though it seems the limelight is losing its appeal.

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It was a bold bid for freedom, but Buster will have to face the one-trombone firing squad.

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Expert pyrotechnician Jack Morocco will be helping with this special performance.

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Just another day of blowing something up.

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For the first attempt, they'll be using a lethal variety of Chinese fireworks.

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This is one of those myths that has a whole sequence of events that have to go off like clockwork for this to be replicated accurately.

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Remember, this story is about a musician with an explosive in his trombone, who apparently blew over the conductor during the 1812 overture.

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I think it's going to be a nice loud bang. I think it's going to destroy the mute right off.

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I don't think anything that we're going to be able to do is actually going to get them mute to Buster.

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Continuity's good.

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Alright. Is everyone behind the barrier?

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For safety, they'll set the charge off remotely from behind Lexan Blast screens.

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Alright, we're all rolling. Here we go.

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Give us a count down.

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In three, two, one.

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One.

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Beautiful.

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That was fantastic.

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Those Chinese firecrackers packed quite a wallop. The front of the mute is blown out in spectacular fashion.

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Did that hit him in the chest?

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Yes, it did.

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It smacked him head on. It blew the front right off of our mute and smacked into the music stand,

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knocking it over and it hit Buster.

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I would have knocked Buster over if it hadn't hit the music stand first.

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The horn doesn't seem to have received any abuse at all.

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I mean, the mute's actually been pushed out wherever it was contacting the horn. It was really hard to get out.

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And actually, also contrary to the myth, the slide did not move either.

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So, only part of the myth is working and the guys are really hoping for more trombone bang for their buck.

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Do you like doing it again?

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Sure, why not?

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You know, it's when you get really excited that I get really nervous. If you could calm down just a little bit.

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So how much mayhem would an exploding trombone cause during the 1812 overture?

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Jamie's about to try out his rocket-propelled mute, as many crushed-up model rocket engines as he can squeeze in, and a little more for good measure.

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Hey, Jack?

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Yes?

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What would you think about also if I dumped a bunch of that crap down in the bell of the thing?

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Yeah, we might actually blow that whole stand over.

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That's good.

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We like that.

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We like that.

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Here you go, Jamie.

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Hold your breath.

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So how much is in here?

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It goes all the way to the tip. That's six rocket engines.

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Got a regular Panzerfaust here.

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Jack is torn between caution and the myth-busting credo of Jett and Ate First, ask questions later.

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Well, I sure hope we don't fly-baland our limits here.

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Alright, in three, two, one...

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Whoa, what's that?

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Well, it didn't go anywhere.

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That is gunpowder.

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I'm not using that trombone.

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Oh, I'm not.

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That is gunpowder.

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I'm not using that trombone.

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Holy crap!

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Why is he smoking so much? It looks like it did hit him.

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This hurts on fire.

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And look, the slide's still in place.

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The slide?

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I think if it didn't blow off with that, it's not gonna...

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The slide is still in place.

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The mute flew out with enough force to knock Buster over.

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Once again, he's wondering about the Mythbusters medical plan.

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Oh my god.

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Oh, hey, that's hot.

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Yeah, it'll be hot.

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Hey, yeah.

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And the police, well, they just want to know what the heck is going on.

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Jack, have you got your permit handy?

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Believe it or not, in its wisdom, the city of San Francisco has given the Mythbusters

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a license to wreak exactly this sort of havoc.

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I think any day when we do something that brings the cops flocking to us,

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but then they have to let us continue doing what we're doing,

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is the perfect Mythbusters day.

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But it seems this myth isn't perfect.

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Buster didn't fall back into the audience,

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and the trombone just won't play ball.

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It didn't even remotely peel off the bell,

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like peel it back like a banana, like the myth says.

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And what we had was more powerful than any firecracker.

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In fact, it's even more powerful than they thought.

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There's trombone shrapnel everywhere.

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So these pieces right here bounced off the Lexan.

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There's a piece, there's a piece over there,

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a piece over there.

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Right there behind you.

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And I heard that it felt them ricochet off the Lexan.

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So Buster isn't the only one in danger here,

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but they'll try once more to recreate the myth.

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Jack's reloading a new trombone with even more powder.

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Ready to fire in three, two, one.

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This myth just doesn't want to be replicated.

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No matter how hard Buster tries.

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That's like some kind of modern art.

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And this slide did not leave the table.

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It's just a piece of paper.

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It's just a piece of paper.

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It's just a piece of paper.

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Modern art.

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And this slide did not leave the trombone.

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We have taken this myth absolutely to pieces.

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This is another rarity for us.

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Every aspect of it is completely impossible.

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Hey, it still makes noise.

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The rest just didn't happen.

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This musical myth has had it swan song.

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So the spirit of the myth is kind of there,

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but I'd say overall the myth is busted.

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I'd say we did the best we could with it,

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and yeah, it's absolutely busted.

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It's been nearly six weeks since the Goldfish Challenge began.

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Today, all their hard work will be put to the test.

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Remember, they're testing the myth

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Goldfish only have a three-second memory

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by trying to train them to swim through a simple maze.

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The Heinemann technique is to associate orange plastic with food.

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It's working.

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Oh, look, they see the orange thing.

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They're wanting to go for it.

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Jamie appears to have science on his side.

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Studies have shown that Goldfish repeatedly respond to color

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for food rewards.

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In other words, they seem to have memory longer than three seconds.

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Camp Savage has struck troubled waters with an ammonia problem.

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There are only two contenders left.

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And they just like, you know, bang their heads in the corner over here.

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The first to get fish through their maze wins and busts the myth.

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Timeless starting now.

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They're off and racing.

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Hey, guys. Here's your food.

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Corn boys, there you go.

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Jamie's school has learned its lessons well.

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But Adam's guys must have been playing hooky.

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I think it's quite obvious what's happening or not happening.

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They seem to be fascinated with their reflection on the other end of the tank.

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Jamie's crew is halfway through and going swimmingly.

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You know you want it.

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Look at them. They're frantic to get through there.

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Maybe I should give them a compass.

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Who's to say luck doesn't play a part in these things?

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They're through the first barrier, but not for long.

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No, no, no, no, back.

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There's no backtracking in Jamie's tank.

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The first fish is through.

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One minute.

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The rest of the gang isn't far behind, except one.

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Interesting to note there's one fish that is the stupidest one.

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There's a little redhead in back and he's the skinniest.

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Adam apparently has two skinny fish.

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I don't understand the total ignorance of this panel.

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It's like this wall doesn't even exist for him.

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I would say that without a doubt, one minute to make it through the maze is a lot quicker than random.

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And for Adam's fish?

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Nine minutes.

435
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Day 43 of the Goldfish Memory Test and Adam is still behind.

436
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Listen, I don't have any work to do on this experiment.

437
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These fish have a lot of work to do.

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I'm just giving them the framework with which to prove themselves for all goldfish kind.

439
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Adam just got stupid fish. What are you going to do?

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Alright boys, you ready?

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Meanwhile, Jamie's A students are lining up at the gate.

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They're looking perky this morning.

443
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What's going for it?

444
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The starting gun has sounded.

445
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Jamie's looking to go under 60 seconds.

446
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Oh, oh, oh.

447
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Yay, that was, let's see, 25 seconds. It's a record.

448
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000
They were like definitely...

449
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000
Way to go guys.

450
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Mine are eating your own poo.

451
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,000
Well, they seem healthy for all that.

452
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,000
I know that everyone's going to take me to task for wasting these fishes' time.

453
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Hey, they're both in the second chamber though.

454
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000
Oh, they go back.

455
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,000
Can they remember for three seconds?

456
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,000
I'd wager. You bet. And a lot more.

457
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:47,000
George Barlow from the University of California Berkeley is a professor of integrated biology and a big fan of goldfish.

458
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,000
I guess there's some debate about this. Does condition behavior actually qualify as memory?

459
00:37:51,000 --> 00:38:03,000
Sure. Any task that you can, in quotes, teach to an animal and then retest later, you have a very objective way of evaluating whether it remembered it.

460
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:11,000
From what you've told me, I would say, yeah, you've blown away the myth that they can only remember for three seconds.

461
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:18,000
And one of the purported reasons behind the myth is so that people who keep goldfish in small bowls don't feel so bad.

462
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,000
Do you think that it's actually cruel to keep goldfish in a bowl like that?

463
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,000
Well, we'll never know.

464
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:36,000
I'd off Hitler thought it was cruel to keep goldfish in a bowl because there was no corner for them in which to hide and had a law made prohibiting the use of bowls for goldfish.

465
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:43,000
But I think in general, just an awful lot of fish kept in aquaria are bored.

466
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,000
Okay, guys. Are you awake this morning?

467
00:38:51,000 --> 00:39:01,000
Jamie is confident his fish are drawing on all their memory cells. It's the final day, day 45. Will they find their food faster?

468
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000
Okay, that's a go.

469
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000
All right, time for starting.

470
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,000
There we go. We're going through one.

471
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,000
I'll go back through.

472
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000
Oh, they're looking like they're going to do it.

473
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,000
Twenty seconds.

474
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000
Oh, they've lost the record.

475
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,000
Twenty-five seconds.

476
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,000
There we go. Almost.

477
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,000
Thirty-five seconds. Come on, handsome. There it goes.

478
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,000
There we go.

479
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Not bad at all. Forty seconds.

480
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Forty seconds. I think that judging by what I'm seeing, that that's probably the threshold plus or minus 30 seconds to get through.

481
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:54,000
And 30 seconds, I think, is pretty good to make it through four holes. It's clear that they've learned, and it's clear that they do, in fact, have a memory longer than three seconds.

482
00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:04,000
Absolutely. I mean, I'm impressed how fast that is. You know, my fish, on average, sort of randomly take between like three and 20 minutes to get to their food.

483
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000
I mean, you guys definitely know what's going on.

484
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000
Myth busted.

485
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Thanks, Adam.

486
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000
All right. Good night, fish.

487
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,000
See, it's that kind of behavior that screwed him up. It's like, good night, fish. Yeah, that helps.

488
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000
They don't need to be trained anymore.

489
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,000
Does a sinking ship create a powerful drag on those in the water?

490
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,000
Adam can't wait to find out.

491
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,000
But unlike Jamie, during the test, Adam won't be using scuba.

492
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:52,000
So in case of emergency, he has to learn to breathe from another diver's regulator.

493
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,000
I've been waiting half my life to see what it feels like to breathe underwater, and that's just like really cool.

494
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:03,000
So I'm dying to be on that boat when it goes down. Like, I'm psyched to have done that. Like, I can't wait.

495
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:10,000
There are many amazing survival stories from ships lost at sea, especially during war,

496
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,000
yet none so evocative as those told of the Titanic.

497
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,000
One story that contradicts the myth is that of Chief Baker Charles Jofin.

498
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Now, this man was having a good time the evening the Titanic sank.

499
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,000
He was drinking a little bit, and then the entire trauma happened with the Titanic,

500
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,000
and he found himself on the stern of the boat as the boat was going down.

501
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:39,000
He said that going down with the boat while standing on the stern felt exactly like riding down an elevator.

502
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:47,000
He said it was smooth sailing going down, and when it reached the water, he just stepped off into the water without even getting his hair wet.

503
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,000
Swam around for a while and was picked up by a lifeboat and lived.

504
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:57,000
It's test day, and Adam's excited enough to be up before dawn.

505
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Good morning. Good morning.

506
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:09,000
Well, everyone else crapped out. I think we're the only one who's taking the journey across the bay to deliver our little tugboat right here.

507
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:15,000
It's really nice being on the bay at dawn. As the sun comes up, it's quite beautiful.

508
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:22,000
And our little tug, the Miphthannock, is handling the trip just fine. It should be ready to sink.

509
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:29,000
Across the bay, the San Francisco Dry Dock workers are preparing for this unusual event.

510
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Their skill will help sink the boat and recover it.

511
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:39,000
Oh, my life. My dad used to tell me that if a boat sinks, you have to swim away as quick as you can because you will be sucked down with it.

512
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,000
The tugboat captain was very excited.

513
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,000
I'm very excited because you will be sucked down with it.

514
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:51,000
The tugboat captain, Greg Urban, knows these chilly murky waters and the dangers they hold.

515
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,000
I'm very interested in seeing what happens. I'm glad it's you that's going to be standing on deck and not me.

516
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,000
So I think you're going to get sucked down with it.

517
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Despite the prediction, Jamie's still looking on the bright side.

518
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:08,000
Well, you know, it's a little brisk this morning, but at least it's warmer in the water, perhaps.

519
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,000
Somehow I don't think so.

520
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,000
With all his underwater expertise, Jamie knows this is risky.

521
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:21,000
He's enlisted a dive buddy, Sean Willis, a professional with 13 years experience.

522
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,000
Tough to estimate what the visibility will be like. Sometimes currents make it better.

523
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,000
With the silty bottom, often currents can stir it up a little bit worse.

524
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,000
So it makes things a little harder, a little bit more dangerous, a little more complicated.

525
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:40,000
The tugtoes the myth-tannic out to the end of the dry dock.

526
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:46,000
To make salvage as easy as possible, it will be sunk right under the shadow of the big crane.

527
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Swing it out, swing it out. Swing it out some more.

528
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:58,000
The boat is going to sink. We're going to find it. We're going to hook the cables up to it.

529
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:04,000
We're going to bring it back up and we're going to do it again until we get too cold or too tired to do it.

530
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:11,000
Hey, Adam, just letting you know we've got 50 feet underneath your boat right now. 50 feet of water. Very cold water.

531
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:20,000
The biggest fear that I have is Adam's safety. You know, we don't really know what's going to happen with this boat.

532
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:26,000
The water's murky. It's cold. It's deep. This is a dangerous stunt that we're doing.

533
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,000
And I guess Adam's life is in my hands.

534
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,000
Adam doesn't wait around as the sea instantly gushes in.

535
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,000
They're only opening one valve. One valve.

536
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,000
The main job now is keeping the sinking ship in reach of the crane.

537
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,000
So hold on.

538
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,000
The tug gives the mythatic a gentle nudge into position.

539
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Two feet away. All right, you're buffing.

540
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,000
All right, it's going down, bro. It's going down.

541
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:18,000
Surprised by the sea's rapid inflow, Adam veils out early and misses his chance.

542
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,000
Time to reflect and rethink the strategy.

543
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:35,000
The speed of descent was just like whoosh. I mean, my job I know was to stay with the boat and feel the suction.

544
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:41,000
But I swear to God, sitting on there, my body just goes, move that way. Not that way.

545
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,000
Survival kicked in at a critical moment.

546
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:56,000
While Adam ponders his next brush with death, Jamie and Sean work 40 feet down in the dark for 30 minutes to reattach the salvage lines.

547
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,000
Question is, are they game for take two?

548
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,000
Are you insinuating that I might not have the Cajones to follow through on this job?

549
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,000
I know you've got the Cajones to do it. I'm only saying...

550
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,000
Then what's the question?

551
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,000
All right.

552
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:17,000
I don't really want to. I don't think that we're going to see anything different than what we already saw with that boat.

553
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:24,000
You know, for us to get in that sweet spot might take us a half a dozen fries, and all it represents to me is a lot of work.

554
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:31,000
But if you want to do it on game, I just, you know, it was hard.

555
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:37,000
It's a difficult decision to scuttle the boat again, but they need a result.

556
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,000
They resolve to do it with the cables in place, but slacken.

557
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,000
We've seen what the boat does. It's nothing that scary.

558
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:52,000
I feel pretty good about lowering it on with the cables still attached this time, because they're so heavy, they just go down into the water.

559
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,000
Okay, hold on to that hand back there.

560
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,000
This will be their last attempt to tackle the old Titanic myth.

561
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,000
Would someone in the water be pulled down with the ship?

562
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,000
You guys watch out for the cable. Don't get tangled up on the cable.

563
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,000
Okay, be careful. It might roll and you get caught.

564
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,000
It's going to roll, guys.

565
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,000
Be careful.

566
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,000
Stay with it. Stay out. Stay with it.

567
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,000
There you go.

568
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Woo!

569
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,000
Did you get sucked in there, then?

570
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,000
Have you seen nobody get sucked in?

571
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,000
No suction.

572
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:48,000
No suction at all. I mean, I could not have been more central to the boat where it went down.

573
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:56,000
I sat on it, the entire boat just dropped underneath me, and I hit the water, my neck hit the water, and I never went any lower.

574
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,000
And what did I say?

575
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,000
Okay, once again, Heinemann, you're absolutely right about how the boat sank.

576
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,000
So I say, let's get this puppy back up and call it a day. I need a drink.

577
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:15,000
So no vortex with the myth tenning, but how do they explain the dramatic tests in the swimming pool?

578
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:22,000
In our test, we used like 300 pounds and it went right down really quickly.

579
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,000
The boat's not built like that. It's a lot larger surface area. It didn't go down that fast.

580
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:32,000
Well, you know, Jamie, I'm going to go out on the limb here and say, there is no effect. That myth is busted.

581
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:38,000
Yeah, I'd agree. You know, I was right there, too. I didn't feel it. I didn't see it. It didn't happen.

582
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:45,000
You know, and with all the rigging and stuff that are on a normal ship, there are some very good reasons to swim away from a boat that's going down.

583
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,000
It could pull you down. You get caught in the rigging, but none of them involve suction.

584
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:55,000
And I know our boat wasn't as big as one of these, but with a nine ton boat, I think you would have felt something.

585
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,000
I'd agree.